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Teach for America Proposal Withdrawn

The Cobb Board of Education did not discuss or vote on the proposal to bring 50 Teach for America teachers to South Cobb at the board's Thursday night meeting.

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It was pulled.

After a week of constituents vocalizing their support and opposition, after they flooded the Cobb Board of Education with emails and calls, and even after a local newspaper made its opposition known, the proposal to bring 50 Teach for America teachers to South Cobb was pulled from the Board of Education’s agenda on Thursday.

District Superintendent Dr. Michael Hinojosa withdrew the item before the meeting began, and before three South Cobb parents spoke in support of it. The board did not have a chance to discuss the item.

Vice Chairman David Morgan said now that the proposal has been pulled, it is unlikely to resurface “any time soon.”

Hinojosa told the Marietta Daily Journal, “It’s going to come back. It won’t come back this fiscal year, but it will come back in the future. A lot of people were concerned with the timing of it, and I didn’t want to bull rush something and try to push it through.”

Morgan, whose Post 3 serves the South Cobb schools, was behind the push to bring the TFA teachers to the area.

 He said he was “disheartened, disappointed and quite frankly, angry,” about the decision to pull the item from the agenda.

“I think people are not doing it because it’s outside their comfort zone…People like doing the same thing over and over even it’s not working out,” Morgan said, adding that the comments from actual South Cobb parents should have shown the area’s support of the program.

Smyrna parent Leo Smith and South Cobb parents, Jay Young, Kiddada Grey and Valerie Testman spoke in support of the proposal during the public comment portion of the meeting.

“In all of this discussion, I have not heard ‘student first,’ and I am concerned about that,” Grey told board members. “Yes, we love our teachers. Yes, they’re great assets to us, but I understand that our largest and greatest asset is our children. Teach for America is a yes for the South Cobb area.”

Grey said that Cobb has great teachers, and Teach for America is needed in addition to them in South Cobb.

“Teach for America may not fit the image of Greater Cobb, but shame on us for not realizing that we have kids that are two and a half years behind, and this is not something that started yesterday,” Grey said, explaining that for the six years she has lived in Cobb, the achievement gap in South Cobb has continued to grow without a formidable solution.

The only opposition to the TFA proposal voiced during the public comment came from the directors of two local teaching associations, Cobb County Association of Education and Educators First.

Connie Jackson, president of CCAE, said she was "excited" by the proposal's withdrawal.

John Adams of Educators First spoke in opposition of the program during public comment.

“I represent teachers, and teachers are concerned that their jobs will be outsourced,” said Adams, who has worked as a police officer in South Cobb and as a teacher in South Cobb schools.

Adams said the South Cobb area has a teacher turnover rate, which is twice the turnover rate of the rest of the county. A solution needs to be found, he explained, but Teach for America is “not the right solution, and it’s certainly not the right time.”

Timing was a main concern for many of the board members who expressed skepticism of the proposal. The district may cut 350 teaching jobs and increase class sizes to decrease its $62.4 million deficit. To bring in 50 additional teachers seemed unfair to many of those opposing the plan.

“The teaching associations work to keep things the same. They won’t change anything,” Morgan said, explaining that teaching association officials are most concerned with ensuring job security for teachers.

BOE Chairman and East Cobb representative, Scott Sweeney had remained relatively silent on the issue.

Sweeney told South Cobb Patch, “I’m mixed. I know that there are opportunities to help close the achievement gap. There’s not a member of the board that doesn’t want to improve the achievement gap. I’m just not convinced that Teach for America is the answer.”

Sweeney said he does not have the answer right now, but perhaps the ongoing training that TFA delivers could be prescribed to the district’s current teachers.

Morgan said that solution would cost money and add to the district’s $62.4 million deficit.

Was Hinojosa right in withdrawing the Teach for America proposal? Tell us below in the comments.

In other South Cobb Board of Education news:

  • No one showed up for the district's first public hearing on the school closures of Sky View Elementary and Brown Elementary, a result of the south county elementary school redistricting plan.
  • The district will pay for Pinnacle access for the county’s existing two charter schools. Central Cobb board member Alison Bartlett cast the lone dissenting vote on the matter, saying, “I have deep concerns because I don’t know where you draw the line. Right now, our charter schools, we support them, and we support them financially, which, in my opinion is detrimental to the overall system….I don’t know where you draw the line. Well, it’s $50,000 today. Well,  you know, next year, it will be ‘we need to give them computers because all of our schools have computers.’”

In contrast, North Cobb board member Kathleen Angelucci said, “These two charter schools fall under the charter school umbrella. They have our students in them. Those parents should have the same rights to find out their children’s grades, absenteeism as the children in the other schools in Cobb County, so I don’t feel the cost is so prohibitive that we would not approve it.

  • The district also approved building modifications­ for Mableton’s Lindley Sixth Grade Academy at a cost of $1.16 million, which will come from the district’s SPLOST III funds. The improvements will be made to the school’s sprinkler system, fire alarm system, restroom and home economics room and kitchen.
Related Topics: Cobb schools, South Cobb schools, and Teach For America

janis stevenson

12:32 pm on Friday, January 27, 2012

i am saddened, frustrated and angry that hinojosa took it off the table. david morgan has been trying and trying to get something done in south cobb and at every turn, he is stymied. South Cobb Parents and students deserve better.

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C.J.

12:33 pm on Friday, January 27, 2012

I don't know enough about TFA to have a strong opinion on the program itself or the quality of the teachers that it produces. However, I found the notion of firing and/or furloughing scores or hundreds of current teachers while simultaneously hiring other teachers offensive. This wasn't about finding the best for our kids. This was about finding the cheapest for our kids. Personally, I'm not thrilled with ideas that revolve around educating our kids on the cheap.

As I've said before, our teachers aren't failing us. We're failing them. When we have to rely on corporate donors and community volunteers to keep our schools operating at full capacity, then we're obviously failing as a community by refusing to adequately fund our school system such that our physical infrastructure is properly maintained, teachers are paid competitively to attract the best, enough teachers are hired to keep class sizes small, and Cobb children spend enough hours in the classroom to compete with other states and the rest of the world.

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Leo Smith

8:15 pm on Friday, January 27, 2012

Chris:
You can learn more about TFA at http://www.teachforamerica.org/why-teach-for-america/who-we-look-for/how-we-evaluate-applicants. It's a pretty esteemed program.

Can you share how much natural attrition occurred in South Cobb last year? I wonder if that number is greater than the 50 proposed TFA teachers. I'll see if I can dig that up and report back.

Cheap? Certainly the TFA route would save the county money too. The first two years would be privately funded. More citizen engagement in schools increases stakeholders at many levels and diversifies support for operations as well as policy. So I guess what really makes it cheap is the fact that for the first 2 years, someone else pays the bill. I like eating lobster on someone else's tab.

We are failing teachers for the same reasons we are failing students, rigid, overly politicized, privileged systemic design. We are protecting an industry serving adults at the cost to the student. Check out the documentary Waiting for Superman.

Finally, teacher quality, like the quality of football players, increases the better the competition. I don't think excellent teachers have anymore to fear from a TFA hire than they do from a non-TFA hire. A competitor is a competitor.

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C.J.

5:04 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

Unfortunately, the cognitive dissonance among the "Taxed Enough Already"/anti-welfare crowd is easy to spot. While complaining about wasteful government and redistribution, many who hold such attitudes are simultaneously looking for handout from corporate benefactors and good people with the time and inclination to provide volunteer services that we don't want to pay for. Eating lobster on someone else's tab is welfare, and if we have to go out and beg for money through the Chamber of Commerce and others, then it seems clear that we're not taxed enough already. In addition, the idea that we can maintain and build a strong education system on voluntary contributions is wishful thinking and, forgive me, naive.

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C.J.

6:16 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

By the way, Leo, I'm didn't mean to imply that your positions are consistent with those of local TEA Party groups. I don't know what your positions are on school taxes and various other issues. As far as I can tell, you're trying to work within existing budgetary constraints. I, on the other hand, feel that as a community, we need to agree to reduce or eliminate such constraints. That's not an argument against an efficient and effective school district. It's simply an argument for one that is adequately funded.

Ms. Massey

11:35 am on Saturday, January 28, 2012

Greetings,
One thing that I am seeing that is common from all of the conversations regarding addressing the South Cobb area is that improvements need to be made. The real issue is on the agreement on how to go about doing that. Now here is my other 2 cents: With all of the budget cuts, layoffs and furlough days that the Cobb educators have and will endure, I can see where it would be a very unpopular decision to even suggest bringing an organization in like "Teach For America" into this discussion. How about looking within our own county, communities and school district and use the talents, gifts, experiences we have. There are some well qualified paraprofessionals,substitutes, custodians, bus drivers, food services, after school staff and laid off educators that could handle the "challenges" if given the opportunity. I understand the urgency to make some changes but the final decision should not be left to a few "selected" people that can not relate to the situation. Finally, there needs to be some tasks forces complied that consist of students, parents, graduates, teachers, staff, residents, substitutes, paraprofessionals, education graduates in corporate america, grandparents, guardians, faith based communities in the South Cobb areas in question given the opportunity to handle the tasks of providing the necessary educational experiences/opportunities for the students to be successful in a global economy.

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Leo Smith

2:05 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

Those are some great ideas Pearl! The intriguing thing to me especially is your call for highly qualified but unemployed teachers to speak out on what they could do voluntarily along with other community leaders. Sounds like you have some connection to the resource community assets like teachers, volunteers, etc. When would you like to start?? We could organize a Concerned Citizens for Participative Education or something!!! I'm in!!

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Leo Smith

2:07 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

Who out there is willing to create a FACEBOOK group or page to get us started with communication??? e-mail me at roundtables@smyrnaward1.org

Michael (Teacher)

3:35 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

With all due respect to everyone, is an argument that a school is producing positive results really effective if the main points we're using to back it up include after school activities, Girl Scouts, and Braves games? These are all wonderful opportunities for students to have some fun, and it is great that teachers and staff are volunteering their time, but this is NOT the issue at hand. Students are not receiving the tools they need due to a flawed curriculum, a lack of urgency and quality in teaching practices, and the alarming fact that many teachers are more concerned with job security than the fact that their students are not meeting BASELINE level indicators of success.

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Michael (Teacher)

3:41 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

Furthermore, I am a bit troubled by the TFA teacher stereotype that is being perpetuated here. I, myself, am a Teach For America teacher. However, there is a stereotype that I consistently hear people describing: unqualified (with 5 weeks training), young and naive, Ivy League elitist, temporary (2 year) teacher destined for Law or Medical school.

Let's get rid of that stereotype right now.

I am a PROUD graduate of a small college in the rural Midwest. I am also a PROUD first-generation college student. Thanks to hard work, a scholarship, and a Mother who guided me in the right direction, I was able to go to college. I knew I wanted to pursue Education because it opens doors- I am a product of that. My college has a nationally accredited, four-year, professional preparation program that is one of the best in the nation. I knew I wanted to be an Educator from a young age, I am PROUD to be one, and I am in this for LIFE. So I cannot help but CRINGE when I keep hearing people generalize this organization and its teachers. I do not come from a sense of elitism and entitlement, and I am not looking to build a resume- I am teaching because I know that is what I was put on this earth to do.

Furthermore, I joined TFA because I feel compelled to help close the achievement gap- a stark reality whose destructive results I have seen firsthand. This organization implements GREAT practices, produces SUCCESSFUL students, and has a track record to back it up.

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Michael (Teacher)

3:47 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

I joined because I recognized its positive mission, its strategic practices, and hoped that I could learn from it, become BETTER and more AWARE, and develop as a stronger and more astute Educator. I am positive that I am not the only one in this organization of thousands who does not fit (whatsoever) this awful and perpetuated stereotype.

My students are BRILLIANT 8th graders who have already made significant gains in reading proficiency, written expression, and social behavior. They are in a school that has had some struggles- but they are flourishing. All of my Department does a PHENOMENAL job (and yes, the rest of them are NOT TFA teachers). However, my students are performing at the TOP, even though I am a first-year teacher. I am not ineffective, I am not unqualified, and I am certainly not negligent of the urgency and efficiency it takes to take these students, some of whom who have been underserved for so long, and put them on a path that is clearer and destined for TRUE success.

Are all TFA teachers perfect? No. Am I? No. Are all the teachers who've been laid off ineffective and deserving of that? No. Is the Achievement Gap a REAL and DANGEROUS issue? Yes.

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Michael (Teacher)

3:51 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

However, this is NOT about job security, which is the tone I keep hearing. It is not about the teachers as much as it is the students. Our responsibility as educators is a CIVIL DUTY, because our society depends on it. So, if we're ineffective and our students aren't making gains, perhaps we do need to reevaluate our methods and either get some professional development - OR - find a new career path. This responsibility and the need of our children, however, is too significant. So much so, that, even in an economic climate of turmoil such as this, the factor of having a job is less important than the factor of making sure our future generations are getting what they need to become positive contributors to society. Our community MUST back an initiative to improve the Educational system, otherwise, our community will not continue to flourish in the years to come. No, TFA is not the end-all answer. But we need to recognize the priorities here and do what's best for STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT, not job security.

Thank you for bearing with all my writing, and I apologize for going on for so long, but this is a very important issue to me and in general and I felt very compelled to share my 2 cents. Thanks for allowing that.

And I hope nothing but the best for the future of the Cobb County community, it's teachers, it's families, and it's future.

Thanks!

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C.J.

4:54 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

Michael,

I admire all who are willing to put themselves into the classroom. I think our society undervalues all teachers. And I appreciate your contribution and dedication.

But,with respect, you're wrong. This debate IS about job security. And when you write, "our responsibility as educators is a CIVIL DUTY" and some need to "find a new career path," you are not-so-subtly suggesting that teachers coming out of the TFA program are better than our current crop of educators, and therefore, firing them and replacing them with people who have been through your program is a reasonable solution.

While defending yourself from the "TFA teacher stereotype" that, as far as I can tell, has not been perpetuated in this debate, you have piled onto the stereotype that existing teachers are generally failing us--including your co-workers and mentors. That, my friend, is disappointing.

janis stevenson

4:20 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

thanks for chiming in Michael. appreciate the insight from a TFA teacher!

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Michael (Teacher)

5:10 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

Chris,

I'm sorry you read it that way. And I would never state that my co-workers and mentors are failing me, because, without them, I would be failing. In fact, I would say that my relationships with my mentor teacher and Department and with my Assistant Principal have been the most helpful to my own development, although Teach For America has done a world of good for me, as well.

And I want to just reiterate the fact that becoming an Educator has instilled me with so much pride, largely due to the fact that our line of work is the most important and that I am so admirable of the people around me who are doing good for our children. My favorite teachers as a child are the reason I'm a teacher now.

But not every single teacher is excelling, and, therefore, large groups of students are falling behind and receiving an education that falls short of what our school systems have promised. Something must be done to resolve this, and I'm glad to see that the community is so focused on this.

What I originally meant was that the rhetoric should not be about MY JOB as a teacher, it should be about MY STUDENTS getting the education I am charged with delivering them, because, if they do not, I am doing a disservice to their families, the community, and each one of them.

The debate IS about job security, but should NOT be. STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT is more important here. Why should some have job security if they are failing to perform? That does not happen in most lines of work.

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Michael (Teacher)

5:16 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

The fact that some teachers are failing us is not a stereotypical perpetuation- it is an unfortunate and painful reality. I said some, not all, because the majority of us are doing a commendable job (in spite of being underpaid, constantly ridiculed, and uphill battling the challenges of the job each day).

If I was a parent of a child who was falling behind, my first instinct would be either to put him/her in a school where this was not the case OR ask that he/she be given a different teacher. Just like if I order something off of a menu and it tastes horrible, I'm obviously not going to order it again. If we are not producing results and it's costing our students... we need to either pick up the pace or expect that we may be replaced with someone who will.

Now, again, I am not waging a crusade on traditional teachers- after all, I came up the traditional way and would be teaching right now whether TFA existed or not. And traditional teachers, in my opinion, are the most talented out there- I think you are born with the skills to be a good teacher (charisma, compassion, patience, etc.)- some of these things cannot be "learned", whether via college or a Teach For America Institute. There are TFA teachers who are doing a horrible job and probably won't make it, and I have little sympathy for them; this is not their line of work and they won't stay here. The same remains true for non-TFA teachers who lack results.

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Michael (Teacher)

5:20 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

But overall, the organization does implement great practices and the majority of its teachers do change the course for their students, do some research and hear what leaders (such as the Superintendent, Mr. Hinjosa) are saying about the program.

If our school system is hurting, I'm not sure why people would be AGAINST bringing in some talent that might do good for our students. I also agree with Pearl, that I'm sure there is talent within the county, as well. It doesn't hurt to approach this problem with many ideas, though, and I feel that many are labeling TFA wrongly and writing them off without knowing the full scope of what the organization does and just who these teachers are.

I don't think I'm any better than my non-TFA co-workers. I'm just saying, my students are on the right track, and, although I am a first-year teacher, I would hardly consider myself unqualified or any part of what the stereotype seems to be.

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C.J.

6:09 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

Thanks for your thoughtful reply, Michael. I apologize if I misunderstood.

Speaking for myself, TFA is not the issue. My understanding of the proposal is that while considering downsizing up to 350 teachers, the county was proposing replacing many of them with less experienced and less expensive teachers. To my knowledge, this proposal had nothing to do with replacing poorly performing teachers and everything to do with saving money.

If the county sought to supplement our existing numbers of underpaid, overworked, and underappreciated traditional teachers with TFA teachers, then that would be one thing. But that's not the proposal that was on the table.

If there are small minority of teachers who are not performing as they should, as is true in any profession, then I agree with those who say that we should be able to fire them. Unfortunately, many in our community have concluded, without evidence, that this small minority is actually a large majority. It is about about the children. Unfortunately, our community isn't doing our children any favors by demonizing and demoralizing those who are entrusted with educating them.

Thanks again!

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Leo Smith

6:22 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

Michael:
It would be a great service to the cause if you could copy and paste your comments and send them to all the BOE members. It would also help to send a letter to the Editor of the Marietta Daily Journal. The MDJ is the newspaper that also came out against the Superintendent's proposal. Since E.Cobb is more active in BOE issues, generally wealthier, etc.etc., the BOE naturally listens to them for their own security.

Do you think a newspaper would have spoken out against spending money on the Walton swim team? (careful readers, I value swimming, I was once Virginia Tech's Aquatic Director) But look at this S. Cobb, we fund aquatic programs in N. and E. Cobb but not academic emergencies in S. Cobb. We should be moved to get organized for the sake of the children and all of Cobb County's educational integrity.

Now to that end - the Walton Swim Coach went to VT with me. I left the BOE meeting to drown my sadness at Marietta's Dunkin Donuts, and to write more letters to the BOE. The clock strikes 11:00 p.m. and I am still there preparing more arguments for TFA. In walks the Coach with her assistant to work on Swimming Stats and to review their swimmers ACADEMIC PERFORMANCE. That is a cultural standard we are up against folks. TFA was a proposal to in part bring similar energy to the problem of academic achievement. S. Cobb, you have a right to demand it and seek creative ways to help the county reshape itself to fit the challenges.

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C.J.

9:20 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

I agree 100 percent, Leo. I understand the benefits of sports. However, it's inexcusable to expect academics anywhere to do with less while funds are being allocated to athletics.

Michael (Teacher)

6:21 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

I think we can agree on one thing- our schools should only house teachers who are effective, driven, and committed to producing positive results that help our children toward construct solid foundations for flourishing futures.

For those GOOD teachers who have been laid off, I stand in your corner. We new teachers need you back to learn from you, to configure our own skill sets, and to simply receive good advice. And the kids need successful instruction, rigorous assessment, and structured discipline that leaves them at the end of the year with a mastery of the skills needed and behaviors conducive to future success.

But for as long as the achievement gap remains a factor, whether TFA or traditional, GOOD teachers need to be brought ON- and continually pushed to push their kids to a higher standard, while ineffective teachers need to either improve or step aside.

Our kids deserve nothing but the best; without teaching, there would be no other professions. And if we do not do the best for our communities, they may not retain their charm and positivity for much longer.

Whatever happens, I hope those kids in Cobb get exactly what they need.

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janis stevenson

7:46 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012

michael, please send your thoughts to the school board! If some sort of meeting or group forms over this, we sure would love to have you give your insight. thanks for pointing out that just because the teachers banded together to form girl scout troops doesn't mean the kids at that school are getting all they deserve academically. at the school board meeting when the argyle elem teacher brought the girl scouts up, my very insightful 9 year old turned to me and said "it's not fair to bring in the girl scouts." i am baffled that the teachers are reacting in this fashion and at far off the mark their comments have been from the real issue and the need for steps to be done NOW! and Michael, the walton story makes me kind of sad......

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